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Can you call the deceased via a medium? A Pastor answers



Are people allowed to call upon the spirits or souls of the deceased through a medium? With this question, a woman turned in good faith to the “expertise” of a Protestant pastor. Although he mentions the Bible as a reference, he either doesn’t seem to know it completely or he partially rejects the gospel.

Can you call the dead via a medium?

A question with the hope of a truthful answer

Once again, a woman turned to the question portal of the Evangelical Church Magazine in her grief for her now deceased family members. She wanted to know whether it would be okay to attend an appointment that had already been arranged with a medium who could establish a connection with her mother, who had already died.

The farewell to her mother was not a happy one and she now wants to correct this later. The woman now wanted to know whether this contact with the deceased was a sin and whether God would punish her. (Source)

A pastor answers

After all, the advisor to the evangelical magazine, a pastor from the Northern Church in Germany, advises against contacting the deceased. The Bible strongly advises against this. The first king of Israel, Saul, could be cited as an example. He contacted one such medium with the aim of getting advice from the now deceased Prophet Samuel.

“We don’t know” what’s happening

Pastor sees Christians in collective ignorance

But it is not crucial whether we believe we can contact the deceased. The key is to leave the dead alone. We don’t know what happens to us after death, was the pastor’s answer. There is no one who can say this with certainty.

Pastor knows mother’s answer

“We Christians believe” that the dead will be with God in some way. The result is: “The dead are not angry with us. They no longer hold any grudge against us. Anyone who is with God is reconciled with everything and everyone.”
The pastor advises the woman not to use a medium to contact the deceased. She could forego this appointment because it would be more likely to cause fear and a bad conscience. The mother’s answer is already known, even without a medium. “I’m fine, I don’t hold any grudges against you.” The pastor indicates that he almost believes so.

To do this, the woman should ask God in prayer for reconciliation and also for forgiveness for herself and her mother. God does exactly this, he reconciles and forgives.

Either know the Bible or don’t know it

Prophecy Answers
The own faith instead of biblical statements

The pastor of the North Church refers to the Bible. However, “we” don’t know what exactly happens to people after their death. Together with God “in some way,” according to the Protestant theologian’s ideas. He claims that he doesn’t know the details, but the pastor nevertheless makes it clear that the deceased person would be able to give some answers from an unspecified “realm of the dead”, or an afterlife.

All of this presupposed that man had a soul that separated from the body after death and did not perish. Consequently, it is also legitimate to pray to God for the dead.

Saul sought fortune teller from Endor

Witch madness
Fortune tellers, necromancers – the Bible knows about these

The pastor describes the Bible passage with the account of Saul’s visit to the necromancer of Endor, 1 Samuel 28. When the ritual is performed, someone actually appears. But the necromancer was frightened herself, as in 1. Samuel 28:12:
And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.

But what the woman saw was less a human than a “divine” figure. She saw a “divine” coming up from the earth (verse 13). King Saul thought he recognized Samuel in this appearing “old man with an outer garment” and he bowed to him.

Bible about the condition of the dead

A few Bible verses show that it could not actually have been the soul or spirit of the deceased Samuel. These describe very well the condition of deceased people. This is the same Bible that the pastor refers to but still claims “we” don’t know for sure.

Ecclesiastes 3:19:

For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

Ecclesiastes 9:5-6:

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

Job 14:12:

So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.

More example verses about the actual condition of the dead, here.

Do these verses say anything about the fact that a human soul continues to live, act and provide answers after death? Not even close! The pastor is right when the dead are no longer angry with us, because there is no prerequisite for this.

Catholicism as Christianity

Pagan symbol St. Peter's Square
Spreading pagan teachings

The faith that the Protestant pastor represents is not based on the gospel. It is a doctrine taught by the Roman Catholic Church. The Church of Rome advocates the thesis of an “immortal soul,” according to the Hellenistic philosopher Plato. However, the Church of Rome is well aware of the Bible’s contrary statement. In addition, the Roman Church represents two other theses as official dogmas, which were once spread by the serpent in the Garden of Eden (Info).

The Bible is very clear here

The Bible clearly states, and Christians who rely on the Bible should know this, that man does not have an immortal soul. The deceased knows nothing, thinks nothing, feels nothing, notices absolutely nothing. He is unconscious. And this continues until Jesus Christ awakens the dead from their sleep. Some to eternal life and others to eternal reproach and disgrace (Daniel 12:2). For this reason, no deceased person can ever give any answer, no matter how “talented” the conjuring medium is.

The Bible’s “discouragement” of necromancy

The Bible also contains some statements about what God thinks of the practice of necromancy and what consequences there are. However, it reads a little sharper than the “good advice” about refraining from such magic.

Leviticus 19:31:
Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.

Deuteronomy 18:10-12:
There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

A fatal misconception

The apparition to the necromancer of Endor could not have been the deceased Samuel. The Bible completely rules this out with its descriptions of the condition of the dead. This apparition, which surprised even the “professional conjurer”, is none other than one of the fallen companions of the great adversary. They gladly portray themselves as the figures of the dead in order to send people into the false belief of immortal souls, into the homage of demons (Saul bowed) and ultimately into destruction.

Confirmed the misconception

Spiritualism already manifested in churches

The Protestant pastor can believe whatever he wants with his firmest convictions, but when making such answers he should not refer to Christianity and the Bible. That is not the truth. Transparency would be appropriate here and this was expressed in connecting these theses with the Catholic faith, with Hellenistic philosophy, or with the New Age. Catholicism has well-established points of contact with spiritualism and shamanism (Info).

So the woman is not really helped in any way. Rather, she has been confirmed in her error, because she is still in the mistaken belief in immortal souls and has therefore, albeit unconsciously, fallen into spiritualism.

This “theology” of the once Protestant churches, which is already based on spiritualism, has long since become their trademark of diversity (Info).

Bible verses from King James Version

Can you call the deceased via a medium? A Pastor answers
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